Friday, February 12, 2010

On Big 10 and Pac 10 Expansion


This picture is largely irrelevant to this "article." I just enjoyed it. via

As you may have heard, the Big 10 and Pac 10 are talking about expansion. Again. This is important, if for no other reason than it gets us one step closer to the dmk playoff plan (championed since Spring of 2003, and yes I have proof, in the form of an paper submitted for a class, a paper which received an A, thank you very much, and was recycled three times by three different people, all of whom also received A's, because Carleton professors are lazy and wouldn't know the difference between a good football-related argument and a Sid Hartman-quality football-related argument) which would finally eliminate the fucking idiotic ZOMG ONLY TWO TEAMS ARE EVER QUALIFIED TO PLAY FOR THE NATIONAL TITLE!!!11!!ONE!!! setup we currently have. The Big 10 would need to add one team in order to reach the magical twelve team mark necessary for a conference championship game, while the Pac 10 would need to add two.

This is roughly the 874th time the Big 10 has talked about adding a twelfth team to the conference, and roughly the 874th time that Notre Dame will inevitably reject the invitation to become that twelfth team. Notre Dame's not coming. Let's get that out of the way.

The Big 10's also making a stab at luring Texas to the Big 10, in the same way I'm making a stab at luring Megan Fox to my bedroom for some casual Friday night reverse cowgirl. Sure, it's a cute thought, but it doesn't make a bit of goddamn sense for Texas (or Megan Fox). Texas would be giving up a top-heavy revenue sharing scheme in the Big 12 - a revenue sharing scheme that works to their advantage - and all of their traditional rivals in order to join....what, exactly? An academically superior conference that would be spread from Pennsylvania to Minnesota to Texas (travel costs for the non-revenue sports would be fun)? The football and basketball aren't any better in the Big 10 than in the Big 12, and the Texas baseball program, a perennial power, would suffer in a conference switch. Yes, having Texas, Michigan, and Ohio State in the same conference would be cool from a potential rivals perspective, but it's not a practical solution, and the benefits coming to Texas don't outweigh the costs of switching conferences.

Outside of Texas, the Big 10 seems to be focusing on poaching either Pitt from the Big East or Missouri from the Big 12. Pitt's a natural fit, because of the geographic proximity to Penn State, the natural rivalry with Penn State, the Pitt academics, the solid football and basketball teams, and the opportunity for the Big 10 to expand into what is surely an extremely lucrative Pittsburgh television market. Pitt also doesn't have many traditional rivalries they'd be eschewing by leaving the Big East, so that's a plus.

Missouri would also have the academics and athletics that the Big 10 is looking for, and also allows the Big 10 to get their manifest destiny on and expand westward. But Missouri has all of those pesky Big 12 rivalries, including the Kansas-Missouri Border War (or Civil War, whatever it's called). Missouri also does a lot of recruiting out of Texas, and that recruiting would be hurt by any move to the Big 10.

Meanwhile, the Pac 10 has a plan to get to twelve teams, and that plan also may involve poaching a Big 12 team (the Big 12 has a shitty TV contract, the and revenue sharing deal isn't great if you're not one of the top teams). The Pac 10 is nearly picky about academics as the Big 10, despite what the inclusion of Arizona State and Oregon State may lead you to believe. The Pac 10 only takes large "research universities," which is why Boise St. won't merit consideration, despite what would seem to be a good fit football-wise (also: Boise St. doesn't play non-football sports well, and their academics are essentially on an Augsburg Tech level).

Instead, the Pac 10 wants to add Colorado and Utah. Utah is an excellent match and probably would (and definitely should) jump at the opportunity to join the Pac 10. The Utes have the academics to join the conference, play all the little (non-revenue) sports reasonably well, and have basketball and football teams that could, at the least, be competitive in the Pac 10 (and, personally, I would have liked to have seen the '08 Utah team vs. the '08 USC team in a Pac 10 title game).

Colorado....well, that's a little tougher. Colorado seems more like a Pac 10 school than a Big 12 school, at least student body wise (i.e. hippies/douchebags who like snowboarding and playing an acoustic guitar at parties fit in more with Pac 10 BRAHS than Big 12 bros). And Colorado would probably have an easier time recruiting in the Western states than trying to pull kids from Texas (again, because of the student body, although Texas kids may be more down with getting all rapey). But moving to the Pac 10 would mean that Colorado would abandon their longtime rivals in the Big 12 - most notably, Nebraska. Sure, Colorado-Nebraska could be scheduled as an annual out of conference game (just as Utah-BYU and Missouri-Kansas could), but that's a little big tougher to pull off, and the secondary rivalries (i.e. Colorado-Kansas, Colorado-Oklahoma, etc.) are still a little tough to leave.

Anyway, the word is that if Colorado and Utah will join the Pac 10, then the Pac 10 is expanding to twelve teams. But if both won't join the Pac 10, then the Pac 10 may not expand at all, because otherwise the Pac 10 is in a tough spot. Nevada doesn't bring much to the table in terms of competitive sports or media market, UNLV's football team blows almost as much as their academics, New Mexico...well, they add nothing whatsoever, unless you believe the Albuquerque media market is lucrative, and Idaho and Wyoming make less sense than any of the previous three schools mentioned. I actually like the idea of the Pac 10 adding Colorado State, if Colorado wants to stay in the Big 12, but I don't see the Pac 10 going for CSU.

Oh, and, of course, there's the opening in the Big 12 that's created by a potential departure from either Missouri or Colorado. If Texas leaves the Big 12, then the conference should probably just disband. They're completely fucked, and not in a fun way. If either Colorado or Missouri leaves, I'd hope that TCU gets the Big 12 invite, but I don't know that TCU fits academically. BYU is rumored to be under consideration if the Big 12 has an opening, but BYU isn't a great academic institution, and, like the Lions, they don't play on Sundays.

If both Colorado and Missouri leave, I suppose the Big 12 could invite both TCU and BYU, but that seems like an awfully big step down in terms of prestige. I'd like to believe the Big 12 would try to lure Arkansas back, because Arkansas always had more traditional rivals in the Big 12 than in the SEC and would have a better shot of actually winning the Big 12 than the SEC, but I'm not sure the Razorbacks would leave the SEC anymore.

Anyway, that was kind of a rambling mess. If you're keeping score at home, here's what's quasi-likely to happen, if the expansion goes forward.

Big 10 Big 12 Pac 10
Illinois Baylor Arizona
Indiana Iowa State Arizona State
Iowa Kansas California
Michigan Kansas State Oregon
Michigan State Nebraska Oregon State
Minnesota Oklahoma Stanford
Northwestern Oklahoma State UCLA
Ohio State Texas USC
Penn State Texas A & M Washington
Purdue Texas Tech Washington State
Wisconsin


Departures (0-2): Departures:
Departures: Missouri None
None Colorado



Additions (1): Additions (0-2): Additions (2):
Missouri TCU Utah
Pittsburgh BYU Colorado

Arkansas, New Mexico, Rice, ???


New Mexico, BYU,


Nevada, Colorado St, UNLV, ???

3 comments:

fatdog said...

I was listening to sports radio out here two days ago and they actually were making the argument for Texas and TCU joining the Pac-10. Now, if these "sports" radio guys have to talk about anything other than how big Greg Oden's dong is they get pretty lost but it did get me thinking and I'm glad you posted your thoughts.

I definitely think you put together some pretty good scenerios and it seems completely unreasonable to consider Texas going anywhere.

I like your Big Ten additions. The other ones that I thought of were West Virginia and Iowa State. Academically both of them are brutal but I really don't think that matters too much anymore. West Virginia would be a great fit geographically, football and basketball wise. Other than that they probably don't have much going but I do think it would be much easier to snipe a Big East team than a Big Twelve team.

That being said Iowa State would be an easy snipe but they would be a stretch at just about every level and the Big Ten would have to be pretty desperate to go after them.

fatdog said...

By the way, DMK, was The Who concert you went to any good?

dmk said...

Yeah, I would imagine talk radio out there is brutal. It's bad enough in a big city with "legitimate" hosts - I can't imagine the shit out there.

Iowa State would be convenient, but yeah, the academics. I don't really give a shit about that stuff, and I get the feeling most people don't, but the university presidents still do, for whatever reason. I know that when the ACC expanded a few years ago the academics came up alot. For the Big 10, the academics may not even be so much in terms of "quality of school, rankings-wise" (look at MSU, for one) as they are in terms of research and graduate programs. Academics are also a reason why Notre Dame continues to be the Big 10's wet dream - the Irish would bring an enormous fanbase and great academics.

All that said, plucking a team from the Big East is much easier than taking one from the Big 12, and that's why Pittsburgh still seems more likely than Missouri. Missouri has a decent situation now, while Pittsburgh would upgrade in nearly every way (exception: basketball) by joining the Big 10.

If I had my way and I'm being somewhat realistic in terms of academics, size of school, etc., I'd like to see something like this happen, with the conferences adding the following teams:

Big 10: Missouri

Pac 10: Utah, Colorado

Big 12: TCU, Arkansas (replaces Colorado and Missouri)

SEC: Florida St. (replaces Arkansas, and this makes sense for about 10,000 reasons, all of which are related to FSU being much more of an SEC school than an ACC school)

ACC: Pittsburgh, Rutgers, or UConn

The last three parts won't happen, because Arkansas won't leave the SEC, but, well, Arkansas' more of a Big 12 team than an SEC team, and FSU makes much more sense in the SEC than the ACC. And Pitt, Rutgers, and UConn would all fit well in the ACC. But whatever.

By the way, DMK, was The Who concert you went to any good?

The Who was pretty awful. Teenage Wasteland sounded good, and their stage was cool, but the rest of it was meh, outside of Townshend frantically waving his arm like he was waving a kid into his windowless van before the authorities arrived.

But the group of guys who opened for and followed the Who were pretty cool.